Where would this blog be without idiots like this guy?
The analysis of determining the best baseball player of all time is very straightforward. First things first, any player who played prior to 1947 or the pre Jackie Robinson era cannot be considered the best player ever. Therefore, Ty Cobb is eliminated, Babe Ruth is eliminated and Joe Dimaggio whose best seasons were prior to 1947 and ultimately retired in 1951 is eliminated.
I am not taking anything away from these exceptional baseball players, they achieved remarkable feats and are adored by fans around the world, however Cobb, Ruth, nor Diamagio is the best baseball player ever, each did not play against the best players of their time as there was an entirely separate league with notable hall of famers, notably the Negro Leagues. Also, because the best players are playing now! I seriously doubt Babe Ruth would have enjoyed the success he achieved swinging the stick against Josh Beckett or Billy Wagner.
OK, so because Babe Ruth never faced a Josh Beckett or a Billy Wagner, who by the way, are both white (idiot, he could have at least named somebody black like Dwight Gooden in his prime), Babe Ruth doesn't count. Brilliant. Sure, he didn't face guys from the Negro Leagues, but keep something in mind, there were a LOT fewer teams back then. So to get to the big leagues, you had to be very good. Now that there's no discrimination, great players from all races are included. However, there are 30 MLB teams now. So while major leaguers now might have to face off against guys like CC Sabathia or Johan Santana, they also get to face guys like John Parrish or Sidney Ponson. Oh yeah, and ballparks on average are much smaller now and balls are much more lively than they used to be. I mean, the Polo Grounds used to be almost 500 feet to center. Yankee Stadium used to be 462 ft to center. That's just nuts.
Also, Babe Ruth hit more home runs than other teams. He has the highest career OPS+ at 207. Bonds is at 182, so Ruth was much better relative to his era than Bonds has been.
In 2001, Bonds hit 73 homers to break the single-season home run record. Bonds also compiled a slugging percentage of .834. Aaron never did that.
Neither did Ruth.
The year after his homer record, Bonds hit a league-leading .370. Bonds is the only member of the career 500 homers-500 steals club. In an era when the 30 homers-30 steals mark was especially meaningful for a season, Bonds averaged those figures for an entire decade.
First of all, at least get your stats right. Bonds slugged .863 in 2001. Secondly, Ruth's career high was .849. 14 pt advantage in slugging, as I demonstrated here, is statistically insignificant.
What hasn't bonds done? I will get to that, but other mind blowing stats include:
1. Holds record for most MVP awards (7) and consecutive MVP awards (4) (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04)
2. Holds records for most home runs in a season (73)
3. Holds records for most walks in a career (2,512)
4. Holds record for consecutive seasons with 30 homeruns (13).
5. Only player in 400 home run and 400 stolen base club
6. Only player in 500 home run and 500 stolen base club
7. 14 time all star (1990, 1992-98, 2000-04, 2007)
8. One of four players in 40-40 club (40 home runs and 40 stolen bases)
9. Holds record for most consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8)
10. 5-time SF Giants Player of the Year (1998, 2001-04)
11. 14-Time All-Star (1990, 1992-98, 2000-04, 2007)
12. 7-Time Baseball America NL All-Star OF (1993, 1998, 2000-04)
13. 3-Time Major League Player of the Year (1990, 2001, 2004)
14. 3-Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year (2001, 2003-04)
15. 8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-98)
16. 12-Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-97, 2000-04)
17. Led the Major Leagues in home runs (1993, 2001)
18. Led the NL in batting average (2002, 2004)
19. Led the NL in on base percentage (1991-93, 1995, 2001-04, 2006)
20. Led the Major Leagues in slugging percentage (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04)
21. Led the Major Leagues in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
22. Led the Major Leagues in on base percentage (1992, 2001-04)
23. Led the NL in runs (1992)
24. Led the NL in RBIs (1993)
25. Led the NL in walks (1992, 1994-97, 2000-04, 2006)
26. Led the NL in intentional walks (1992-98, 2002-04, 2006)
27. Led the NL in runs created (1992-93, 2001-02, 2004)
28. Led the Major Leagues in total bases (1993, with 365)
29. Led the Major Leagues in runs created (1993, 2001-02, 2004)
30. Led the NL in games (1995)
31. Led the NL in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
32. Led the NL in at bats per home run (1992-93, 1996, 2000-04)
33. 3-Time NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001-02, 2004)
34. Led the Major Leagues in batting average (2002, with .370)
You are an idiot for talking about things such as All-Star selections, MVPs, and Gold Gloves. Ripken made the All-Star team like every year when his OPS+ was like -2632 (funny it matches his consecutive games streak). As far as MVPs go, Ivan Rodriguez and Sammy Sosa both won undeserving MVPs a few years back. And of course Morneau won over Jeter last year. That tells you what the MVP is truly worth. As far as Gold Gloves go, Tino Martinez lost it to Rafael Palmeiro in 1999, a guy who had played all of 28 games at first that year. They're stupid awards. Now, a lot of the other things you mentioned are worthwhile arguments. Going solely by gross walk total isn't the best way to go about it, but fine. 40-40 club is stupid, that has more value in fantasy baseball than in actual baseball. Batting titles are stupid because batting average is stupid. But, alright, overall, fine, you made some decent points. But, um, he's kind of done a lot of this stuff lately. He's lately also widely thought to have done this stuff called...um...steroids? That stuff that cheaters use? When are you going to address this?
Steroids. Sure Barry is not the most embraceable character, in fact he probably has the worst personality of anyone I have ever seen, but he has not been proven to have taken any performance enhancing drug. Also, the game of baseball involves much more than strength otherwise the people buted [sic] for steroid abuse would have much greater numbers. Steroids are not why Barry Bonds is the best player ever, his statistics are. What's funny is how people point out that Barry gained 20-30 pounds over a 15 year period. Who hasn't? It's not like Bonds is ripped, have you seen him lately? Bonds is fat, similar to every other 42 year old man out there. This argument is ridiculous and the asterisk talk is even more ridiculous.
Ah, there you go. I don't even know where to start, this is so retarded.
First of all, Bonds fucking took steroids. He admitted it. It's kind of well known that he did. From San Francisco Chronicle:
Barry Bonds told a federal grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream supplied by the Burlingame laboratory now enmeshed in a sports doping scandal, but he said he never thought they were steroids, The Chronicle has learned.
Federal prosecutors charge that the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, known as BALCO, distributed undetectable steroids to elite athletes in the form of a clear substance that was taken orally and a cream that was rubbed onto the body.
Bonds testified that he had received and used clear and cream substances from his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 baseball season but was told they were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by The Chronicle.
He admitted to using them. He's just insulting everyone's intelligence by saying he didn't knowingly take steroids. Idiots that defend him by saying he never was proven to have taken them can shove Barry's syringes up their asses.
Second of all, ever hear of guys like Jason Giambi? Rafael Palmeiro? Guys who have definitely taken steroids and put up exceptional numbers that they probably could not achieve when their nads were bigger? Lots of guys have definitely improved their numbers by taken steroids, not just Barry. Some guys just don't have the talent that Bonds already has.
Steroids are not why Barry Bonds is the best player ever, his statistics are.
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Teacher: Hey! Put your textbook away! That's cheating!
Student: Leave me alone! Using a textbook, which has all of the answers and will enable me to get a perfect score on a closed book exam, is not the reason I'm a great student! My perfect scores are!
What's funny is how people point out that Barry gained 20-30 pounds over a 15 year period. Who hasn't? It's not like Bonds is ripped, have you seen him lately? Bonds is fat, similar to every other 42 year old man out there.
Being ripped does not make you an intentional-gonads-shrinker or vice versa. I like how the pictures he uses show a skinny Barry Bonds with a tiny head and then a picture of the Bonds of now who is insanely broad with a head that dwarfs Kevin Mench's Shrek head. This guy uses pictures that totally make the opposite point of the one he wants to make. This blogger is a moron.
I want Barry Bonds to break his leg tomorrow and be out for the season. Then when he tries to come back next year, he gets into a car accident with Carl Pavano. Bonds breaks all of his ribs and suffers a severe concussion. Pavano gets a small scratch on his ass due to sliding around on the seat. Both are forced to retire, and Pavano neglects to tell anybody.
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